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]]> by: Tess http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1679 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:31:27 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1679 In addition to the my comment above... Repentance is there for those who break their covenants. One shouldn't have to become an outcast for it. We, as followers of Christ need to have our arms wide open ready to bring comfort for those needing it. But, repentance requires that one acknowledge that the covenants are not meant to be broken. In addition to the my comment above…

Repentance is there for those who break their covenants. One shouldn’t have to become an outcast for it. We, as followers of Christ need to have our arms wide open ready to bring comfort for those needing it. But, repentance requires that one acknowledge that the covenants are not meant to be broken.

]]> by: Tess http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1678 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:25:35 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1678 We all know why the covenant to keep sexual relations within the marriage covenant is there. Or I hope we all do. We all know the consequences if we transgress. In your case, you left a child fatherless, which is not an ideal start for that child's life. Others suffer from more life-threatening consequences. It is difficult to heed this covenant especially for a young single male with all these women parading around half dressed. But, saying that God may have intended for us to break this promise, to me, sounds too much like looking for a justification for the transgression. We all know why the covenant to keep sexual relations within the marriage covenant is there. Or I hope we all do. We all know the consequences if we transgress. In your case, you left a child fatherless, which is not an ideal start for that child’s life. Others suffer from more life-threatening consequences. It is difficult to heed this covenant especially for a young single male with all these women parading around half dressed. But, saying that God may have intended for us to break this promise, to me, sounds too much like looking for a justification for the transgression.

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]]> by: Palmoni http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1664 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:30:25 +0100 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1664 The temple is exackly the way it should be. It should be us seeking and finding out everything we can. There was a story I heard about an Anti-Mormon who had heard enough about the mormon Lingo to pull off stealing a recomend and going through a session of the temple. Afterwords he eventually had the opportunity to mock an apostle by saying, "I went through your temple I slipped through your security and I saw and heard the whole thing." The apostle simply smiled and said well I hope you can live up to all the covenants that you just made, and that was it. Going to church is only about the sacrement, not the talks classes ect... although those are very important the Sacrement takes priority, In the temple it's not about the symbols, atmosphere or the acting... It's about the covenants you make in the Lords house... Check out my website It's pretty deep stuff The temple is exackly the way it should be. It should be us seeking and finding out everything we can. There was a story I heard about an Anti-Mormon who had heard enough about the mormon Lingo to pull off stealing a recomend and going through a session of the temple. Afterwords he eventually had the opportunity to mock an apostle by saying, “I went through your temple I slipped through your security and I saw and heard the whole thing.” The apostle simply smiled and said well I hope you can live up to all the covenants that you just made, and that was it. Going to church is only about the sacrement, not the talks classes ect… although those are very important the Sacrement takes priority, In the temple it’s not about the symbols, atmosphere or the acting… It’s about the covenants you make in the Lords house…

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]]> by: Steve EM http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1662 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:56:45 +0100 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1662 Mark, You bring up a good point that got me thinking. I vaguely recall temple prep classes circa 1976-77, and I believe attendance was by invitation of the Bishop only? In any event, I was skipped. Most people went with no prep. A common comment of young people after receiving endowments back then was: “wow, I was in the Catholic Church my whole life and never knew it”. Many people never went back, hence the simplified endowment later. But even now, the whole thing needs an overhaul and a half. All symbols that have no meaning to modern saints need to go. Any vows should be of an eternal nature, not changing with each generation. How could polygamous saints have taken a legal marriage vow? How come my vow allowed sex short of intercourse but the current one is pretty much a recipe for much sexual incompatibility in marriage? Face it, it’s not normal to be a twenty something virgin, and many are being set-up with a forbidden fruit. Mark,
You bring up a good point that got me thinking. I vaguely recall temple prep classes circa 1976-77, and I believe attendance was by invitation of the Bishop only? In any event, I was skipped. Most people went with no prep. A common comment of young people after receiving endowments back then was: “wow, I was in the Catholic Church my whole life and never knew it”. Many people never went back, hence the simplified endowment later. But even now, the whole thing needs an overhaul and a half. All symbols that have no meaning to modern saints need to go. Any vows should be of an eternal nature, not changing with each generation. How could polygamous saints have taken a legal marriage vow? How come my vow allowed sex short of intercourse but the current one is pretty much a recipe for much sexual incompatibility in marriage? Face it, it’s not normal to be a twenty something virgin, and many are being set-up with a forbidden fruit.

]]> by: Mark N. http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1661 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:33:18 +0100 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1661 If the chastity covenant presented to you in the temple came as a surprise, I guess the temple preparation classes in your ward/branch/stake leave something to be desired. If the chastity covenant presented to you in the temple came as a surprise, I guess the temple preparation classes in your ward/branch/stake leave something to be desired.

]]> by: Betsy Wyatt http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1660 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:35:39 +0100 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2008/06/10/are-temple-vows-another-forbidden-fruit/#comment-1660 Excellent question and prompted writing! I stumbled on your blog today and have an instant need to write. I always make the example of us parents as mini-models of Him as The Parent. We tell our kids, "Don't ___," knowing full well they probably will disobey that order, either fully or in part. Does that mean it's all over? No. Was there a greater good? Not always, and not evidently to me at the moment. And His grace and forgiveness far surpasses mine. Some things are left to our decisions to define and specify as we act out this life. The reason we are given these hard lessons in this life, from what I can tell, is that we are to decide and do our best to follow guidance and, as parents say, "Listen to me." My point is, He knows we'll fall just as I know my 13-year old WILL eat all the brownies I said not to eat. By "forbidden fruit", do we think of everything that is "forbidden"? And is it all specifically listed? Did the attorney you mentioned find any loopholes? Depending on the person, the fruit could be a sexual relationship, a brownie, the R-rated movie we're not to watch - the list is endless. It's put there as a choice for a reason - to work and exercise this life. The lesson comes after the stumble, and the hope is that redirection can show the error and we learn. I call it my V-8 moment - a slap on the forehead where I say, "I should've listened to you all along!" While I haven't had relations or intercourse or anything "big" like that out of my Temple Covenants, I have stumbled in other ways, and fully expect to learn more and more from those experiences. That's a difficult struggle, though, because those Covenants are so much more than a simple request or suggestion. Greater good? I don't know if the forbidden fruit is set up by God, but it is certainly expected in this life. He did equip us with the desire and knowledge to learn from it if we will as an after-effect. We're given the tools to overcome the results of eating too much forbidden fruit, and those tools are up to US to use. That's the part put in place by Him. Excellent question and prompted writing! I stumbled on your blog today and have an instant need to write. I always make the example of us parents as mini-models of Him as The Parent. We tell our kids, “Don’t ___,” knowing full well they probably will disobey that order, either fully or in part. Does that mean it’s all over? No. Was there a greater good? Not always, and not evidently to me at the moment. And His grace and forgiveness far surpasses mine. Some things are left to our decisions to define and specify as we act out this life. The reason we are given these hard lessons in this life, from what I can tell, is that we are to decide and do our best to follow guidance and, as parents say, “Listen to me.” My point is, He knows we’ll fall just as I know my 13-year old WILL eat all the brownies I said not to eat. By “forbidden fruit”, do we think of everything that is “forbidden”? And is it all specifically listed? Did the attorney you mentioned find any loopholes? Depending on the person, the fruit could be a sexual relationship, a brownie, the R-rated movie we’re not to watch - the list is endless. It’s put there as a choice for a reason - to work and exercise this life. The lesson comes after the stumble, and the hope is that redirection can show the error and we learn. I call it my V-8 moment - a slap on the forehead where I say, “I should’ve listened to you all along!” While I haven’t had relations or intercourse or anything “big” like that out of my Temple Covenants, I have stumbled in other ways, and fully expect to learn more and more from those experiences. That’s a difficult struggle, though, because those Covenants are so much more than a simple request or suggestion. Greater good? I don’t know if the forbidden fruit is set up by God, but it is certainly expected in this life. He did equip us with the desire and knowledge to learn from it if we will as an after-effect. We’re given the tools to overcome the results of eating too much forbidden fruit, and those tools are up to US to use. That’s the part put in place by Him.

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