Comments on: Another Sick Masturphobe Blows a Gasket? http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/ Discuss Anything to do with Mormonism, Coarse Langauge OK Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:16:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Anonymous http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1640 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:26:53 +0100 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1640 Steve, I'm curious about your statement that talks on masturbation have been pulled from lds.org. I just found several: I wish the church authorities would be less coy about these things. I just want to know: is it a sin or not?! Same thing with lots of other sexual matters (what husbands and wives can do together, for instance). Steve, I’m curious about your statement that talks on masturbation have been pulled from lds.org. I just found several:

I wish the church authorities would be less coy about these things. I just want to know: is it a sin or not?! Same thing with lots of other sexual matters (what husbands and wives can do together, for instance).

]]> by: mormonopenforum http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1635 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:01:43 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1635 Yeah, only a nitwit like BRM and the Catholics he dispised could mix up Onan's sad fate with masturbation. But regarding Onan, we don't have have his side of the story so who knows what happened? The poor guy could have died of natural causes at or shortly after orgasm and been wrongly dishonored through history. Yeah, only a nitwit like BRM and the Catholics he dispised could mix up Onan’s sad fate with masturbation. But regarding Onan, we don’t have have his side of the story so who knows what happened? The poor guy could have died of natural causes at or shortly after orgasm and been wrongly dishonored through history.

]]> by: Jake http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1634 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:12:05 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1634 One of the most significant changes in terms of its impact on the personal lives of members appears to be one of the quietest. I've always been mildly amused that there is no clear reference to this "grievous sin" in the Bible/BoM/D&C/PGP, that story about Onan notwithstanding. One of the most significant changes in terms of its impact on the personal lives of members appears to be one of the quietest. I’ve always been mildly amused that there is no clear reference to this “grievous sin” in the Bible/BoM/D&C/PGP, that story about Onan notwithstanding.

]]> by: Steve EM http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1633 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:43:32 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1633 Church Handbook of Instructions. Sorry for the acronym. Church Handbook of Instructions. Sorry for the acronym.

]]> by: Jake http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1632 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:22:20 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1632 Steve, What's CHI? Steve,
What’s CHI?

]]> by: Steve EM http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1631 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:30:25 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1631 Hi Tom. Please accept that blaming the shooter's failure to relieve his constrained plumbing was conjecture and a joke. Perhaps a very poor joke, but still a joke. Hey, until we know more, who knows? There have been suicides and self castrations over masturbation concerns, why not violence against others? It is safe to say a good orgasm very effectively calms most people. My guess is if this poor kid was sexually active or had regularly pleasured himself w/o guilt, it's very unlikely he'd have done this horrible act. Hi Tom. Please accept that blaming the shooter’s failure to relieve his constrained plumbing was conjecture and a joke. Perhaps a very poor joke, but still a joke. Hey, until we know more, who knows? There have been suicides and self castrations over masturbation concerns, why not violence against others? It is safe to say a good orgasm very effectively calms most people. My guess is if this poor kid was sexually active or had regularly pleasured himself w/o guilt, it’s very unlikely he’d have done this horrible act.

]]> by: Tom Grover http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1630 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:48:15 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1630 Steve, How do you know the gunman was LDS? His identity was released long after this post. Further, even if he is LDS, what evidence do you have that "masturphobia" drove him to violence? It seems to me that you have, for whatever reason, a level of contempt and animosity towards the Church that leads to making bizarre connections and accusations without evidence. If you are going to blame the church for the massacre last night, why not blame the Church for the genocide in Darfur, the sectarian violence in Iraq or starvation in sub-saharan Africa? Steve,

How do you know the gunman was LDS? His identity was released long after this post.

Further, even if he is LDS, what evidence do you have that “masturphobia” drove him to violence?

It seems to me that you have, for whatever reason, a level of contempt and animosity towards the Church that leads to making bizarre connections and accusations without evidence. If you are going to blame the church for the massacre last night, why not blame the Church for the genocide in Darfur, the sectarian violence in Iraq or starvation in sub-saharan Africa?

]]> by: Steve EM http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1629 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:29:43 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1629 Jake, You bring up a good point that there are rogue Bishops and SPs that since push that old boogey man, but since the present CHI is silent on the issue, they are clearly acting on their own. I've lived in a few places and none of fives kids, two now grown, have ever been asked about it. Not from a Bishop, SP or MP. I know because my wife and I instruct our kids it's a prefectly normal and healthy behavior and if raised by a church authority, it's none of their business, and certainly not an appropriate topic of conversation between a minor and non-parent adult. Given you have to go back about 15 years for the last time a GA publically mentioned the subject and that GA talks regarding masturbation have been pulled from lds.org, I think it's safe to say the church has moved on from that nonsense. But w/o a retraction, some Bishops will hold on to the old ways, causing a new generation needless reproductive problems. May the prostate gods enact revenge on the perpetrators of this fraud! BTW, I served a mission in the late 1970s, and even back then my second MP, a nice retired guy, joked about masturbation concerns being just silly. All I can say is don't let your kids get messed up by some perv Bishop who doesn't know wtf he's talking about. Jake,

You bring up a good point that there are rogue Bishops and SPs that since push that old boogey man, but since the present CHI is silent on the issue, they are clearly acting on their own.

I’ve lived in a few places and none of fives kids, two now grown, have ever been asked about it. Not from a Bishop, SP or MP. I know because my wife and I instruct our kids it’s a prefectly normal and healthy behavior and if raised by a church authority, it’s none of their business, and certainly not an appropriate topic of conversation between a minor and non-parent adult.

Given you have to go back about 15 years for the last time a GA publically mentioned the subject and that GA talks regarding masturbation have been pulled from lds.org, I think it’s safe to say the church has moved on from that nonsense. But w/o a retraction, some Bishops will hold on to the old ways, causing a new generation needless reproductive problems. May the prostate gods enact revenge on the perpetrators of this fraud!

BTW, I served a mission in the late 1970s, and even back then my second MP, a nice retired guy, joked about masturbation concerns being just silly.

All I can say is don’t let your kids get messed up by some perv Bishop who doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about.

]]> by: Jake http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1628 Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:26:03 +0000 http://mormonopenforum.blogsome.com/2007/02/13/another-sick-masturphobe-blows-a-gasket/#comment-1628 The fact that most of Mormonism walked away from masturphobia in the last generation is news to me. Isn't it still regarded as a barrier to going on a mission? Two of my brothers had to delay entrance to the MTC as a result. That was as recently as 2.5 years ago. The fact that most of Mormonism walked away from masturphobia in the last generation is news to me. Isn’t it still regarded as a barrier to going on a mission? Two of my brothers had to delay entrance to the MTC as a result. That was as recently as 2.5 years ago.

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